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All you guys are just assuming that Aaron is going to come back the same.  He had a serious break in the collar bone on his throwing shoulder.  There is the possibility of muscle and nerve damage.  Nothing has been reported to this effect but think this is still an unknown.  Had he not required surgery I wouldn't be so worried. Maybe you are all right and I am off the reservation.  Hope so but think it at least warrants some discussion.  Especially when talking about a 200 million dollar contract.  Am I the only guy that is worried about his recovery?

No, this is what worries me about this injury also.

Okay. Lets address this concern. Lets actually figure it out.

Do you know of or have any example of a collarbone injury and subsequent medical repair causing irreparable and irreversible damage to a QBs throwing shoulder? Not - increasing the potential for reinjury - but - that the QB couldnt throw as well as before.

Anybody? College....Pros? Are there any actual examples? If so, who are they and lets see how they compare.

The only Pro QB that I can think of (that comes to mind) - and it wasnt a collarbone injury (so the comparison doesnt fit exactly) - is Chad Pennington. He has some sort of shoulder injury/repair that ended his downfield passing - turned him into a backup in a few years and ended his career not long after. I dont know any of the specifics of Andrew Lucks current injury or medical repair - but apparently its not going well.
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Some interesting debates going on in here.  Makes me wonder what kind of “candid” discussions on taking place at headquarters the past month or so?  Would love to be a fly on those walls.
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Thanks, and you are probably right.
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Two things.....

1. If you thought the Baltimore game was bad...... hold my beer.

2. If you play fantasy football for money.... take Big Ben, Antonio Brown, and the Steelers D. That will put you automatically in money contention.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Reality check
« Last post by Shinesman on Today at 12:31:05 AM »
There are certain positions ted does well on early, and we'll on late. Seems as though he does well early on skill players and hits about 40% on defensive secondary. Almost all his good OL picks have come midway and back aside from Bulaga, who has had bad moments and is injury prone. Outside of Matthews he hasn't had an above average true linebacker in awhile. And defensive line he has done well later, with Clark being a potential exception. Assuming we draft fairly high (relatively speaking), he needs to take the bpa on the defensive front seven or skill position. Then with the other 11 picks, trade up again and take a solid pick in an area if need. The only are acceptable trade is to trade this tear 1st to Cleveland for next year's 1st. Which almost guarantee a top 3 pick lol
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Wow Ricky.

This team is TT's team.  All the way.  Just take a look at  the roster.  To say, its "the team" like you do is to draw a distinction without a difference.  In other words it rhetoric.

To then say its coaching also, please.  You mean that guy we have as DC?  Or the miracles MM has created with Hundley? People forget two things about MM and his so called QB guru status, first some of the guys he tried it with failed, like Coleman; and he was the OC in SF who allowed the head coach to draft Smith over AR. I would have gone to the mat over that.

The point about AR vs Favre leaves out the fact that that was not a choice, in two ways.  First, AR, clearly the most talented QB in that draft, FELL to Green Bay. If TT knew he was going to be this good, why did he not trade up for him? There was never even any hint of that was there?  Second, Favre retired in a public announcement and that is how AR got the job.

How you can excuse having Hundley and Callahan as our backups is a model of sophistry that I do not even want to address.  Please don't repeat it.  You don't know it but it defeats your argument.

As per a vet back up, you saying who can we get now, is like building the bomb shelter after the bomb strike.  The question is who we should have had long before.  That is what GM's are supposed to do, plan for worst case scenario.  I don't know, what will you say next:  hey we got Callahan?

You then invoke Denver.  Why not invoke Minny? You can always find someone who screwed up as bad as you did.  I don't think that is a good model to follow.  But then maybe Callahan is the next Carson Wentz.   Who you thought was overrated last year.  Nice prediction.

Save your time and keyboard strokes. When many here dig their heels in, they will reuse the same cherry picked arguments and will never ever change face. Lesson learned from a chatters vet of 5 or so years.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Postgame Coaches Corner : Baltimore @ Green Bay
« Last post by Gregg on November 21, 2017, 10:45:49 PM »
Wow Ricky.

This team is TT's team.  All the way.  Just take a look at  the roster.  To say, its "the team" like you do is to draw a distinction without a difference.  In other words it rhetoric.

To then say its coaching also, please.  You mean that guy we have as DC?  Or the miracles MM has created with Hundley? People forget two things about MM and his so called QB guru status, first some of the guys he tried it with failed, like Coleman; and he was the OC in SF who allowed the head coach to draft Smith over AR. I would have gone to the mat over that.

The point about AR vs Favre leaves out the fact that that was not a choice, in two ways.  First, AR, clearly the most talented QB in that draft, FELL to Green Bay. If TT knew he was going to be this good, why did he not trade up for him? There was never even any hint of that was there?  Second, Favre retired in a public announcement and that is how AR got the job.

How you can excuse having Hundley and Callahan as our backups is a model of sophistry that I do not even want to address.  Please don't repeat it.  You don't know it but it defeats your argument.

As per a vet back up, you saying who can we get now, is like building the bomb shelter after the bomb strike.  The question is who we should have had long before.  That is what GM's are supposed to do, plan for worst case scenario.  I don't know, what will you say next:  hey we got Callahan?

You then invoke Denver.  Why not invoke Minny? You can always find someone who screwed up as bad as you did.  I don't think that is a good model to follow.  But then maybe Callahan is the next Carson Wentz.   Who you thought was overrated last year.  Nice prediction.
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NFL Talk / Re: Leroy Butler
« Last post by ricky on November 21, 2017, 10:08:08 PM »
Here are Butler's stats. The problem is that there are a lot of better known players also being considered. He could make it, but it seems unlikely that it would be this year. What he needs is a strong advocate to push his induction.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Postgame Coaches Corner : Baltimore @ Green Bay
« Last post by Bignutz on November 21, 2017, 08:50:41 PM »
All you guys are just assuming that Aaron is going to come back the same.  He had a serious break in the collar bone on his throwing shoulder.  There is the possibility of muscle and nerve damage.  Nothing has been reported to this effect but think this is still an unknown.  Had he not required surgery I wouldn't be so worried. Maybe you are all right and I am off the reservation.  Hope so but think it at least warrants some discussion.  Especially when talking about a 200 million dollar contract.  Am I the only guy that is worried about his recovery?

No, this is what worries me about this injury also.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Postgame Coaches Corner : Baltimore @ Green Bay
« Last post by Striker on November 21, 2017, 08:44:31 PM »
Ricky,

Above you credit our leadership with making the playoffs each year and winning a SB.

No, I credit the team, which was drafted by TT (including AR) and developed by the coaching staff (including AR).

I would think that after the last few weeks, and after we saw what happened when AR was hurt before, that people on this board would now see that its not MM and TT that have made this team what it is.  Those playoff appearances and the SB were accomplished through AR.

Football is a team game. The OL blocks, the RBs run for yardage, the receivers catch balls thrown to them. Does AR help in this endeavor? Undoubtedly.
 Was he drafted by TT and developed by MM? Yes. Is he indispensible to the success of the team? Absolutely. Could hte same results have been accomplished with another QB? We'll never know.


But MM and TT were even luckier than that, because they had Favre before AR.  How many coaches have been that lucky?  So when MM starts talking about his successful career as a head coach, we will know in the future what that really means.

This is an old argument. It ignores that MM brought Favre back under control. That when given the choice between retaining Favre, with all his gifts and problems, or going with the then unknown backup, TT and MM took a huge chance. And won big. NO ONE knew how good AR was going to be. And as far as luck, that was TT's first draft choice for the Pack, and MM helped mold AR into what he is today.

Therefore, the point some are trying to make here, that is our management has become stale, this has justification, on two points.  First, MM has had Hundley for three years, the results have not shown up.  Second, TT did not sign a vet back up who could have seen us through something like this with better outcomes.  Did TT fall for the so called guru skills of MM as a QB svengali?

So, is AR complaining about MM or TT? Is he unhappy? He's made some comments that the team needs a better defense. And as far as failing at backup QB, there is NO guarantee a vet backup would bring better results. See Flynn, Matt as a reminder of that. TT and MM definitely deserve criticism for not being better prepared at backup QB. Indeed, why they believed in Hundley is now a real question. Yet, for months, the general consensus was that Hundley was ready for a starter's job elsewhere. The only question being, how much could the Packers get in a trade? So, we were all fooled. We can speculate on why the team believed in Hundley, but honestly, they weren't the only ones fooled.

But beyond that, I don't like having a team built around one player. This is why we needed a veteran backup with some kind of a track record. And a new DC who can help us win with what I think is a pretty good line up of players on defense.

Again, I posted a list of backup FA QBs available. Find it, or find the list yourself online. Then pick your backup, tell us why he would be a good choice,
 and find some way to fit him into a salary cap that is going to get even tighter next year, And remember, this will be for a guy who you don't want on the field. Ever. Now as far as a new DC, we can only hope. Also, as an example of how things can go wrong even with a vet backup, read my post on the mess with the Broncos.


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