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Re: Favorite and least favorite pick
« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2017, 04:09:43 PM »
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Re: Favorite and least favorite pick
« Reply #31 on: April 30, 2017, 04:13:39 PM »
Id have liked a substantially bigger investment put the OLB position.  I dont mind the value they got with Beigel in the 4th, but hes a pretty underwhelming prospect.  Unless Perry and CM3 play substantially more snaps than they did last year, were going to have major issues at OLB.  Peppers and Jones played over 55% of our defensive snaps a piece and our depth at the position now that theyve left is horrid.

I fear you may be right. However, my argument is that the defense needed a major overhaul, and to accomplish that whilst at least maintaining the current level of the Offense, it was gonna take more than one draft class to achieve that. So hopefully we've overhauled the secondary, and next draft the front 7. This the most positive way I can think of to look at the picks made in this draft--don't half ass it in sufficiently addressing one area of the defense needing an overhaul, rather than half assing it in trying to sufficiently address all areas through just one draft, as then you're only left with having insufficiently addressed each and all areas of need. I think when you add King and Jones along with a healthy (!) Randall and Rollins, our secondary is set up well for a number of seasons, or at least should be barring major injuries.
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Re: Favorite and least favorite pick
« Reply #32 on: April 30, 2017, 05:09:34 PM »
Heh heh, I love every pick.  They are Packers, and in every case I'm optimistic that they'll work out well.  That what the Packers saw in them will be vindicated. 

I love the athletic potential that King, Jones, and Adams possess. 

Who doesn't love the underdog, so of course I love the prospect of Amichia and Yancey. 

I love the quantity=>quality use of 3 late draft picks on RB, since mid/late picks on RB's often work pretty decently. 

Also like getting the two long WR. 

Who can't love Biegel, as smart and try-hard and get-the-best-out-of-your-tools of a football lover as you can script up?

I have no idea how they're going to end up working out.  But Ted and Wolf and Gutekunst and those guys have earned enough respect and trust in their process and their analysis that I think I'd be pretty foolish to evaluate any of the picks as being unwise or foolish.

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Re: Favorite and least favorite pick
« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2017, 08:08:42 PM »
Heh heh, I love every pick.  They are Packers, and in every case I'm optimistic that they'll work out well.  That what the Packers saw in them will be vindicated. 

I love the athletic potential that King, Jones, and Adams possess. 

Who doesn't love the underdog, so of course I love the prospect of Amichia and Yancey. 

I love the quantity=>quality use of 3 late draft picks on RB, since mid/late picks on RB's often work pretty decently. 

Also like getting the two long WR. 

Who can't love Biegel, as smart and try-hard and get-the-best-out-of-your-tools of a football lover as you can script up?

I have no idea how they're going to end up working out.  But Ted and Wolf and Gutekunst and those guys have earned enough respect and trust in their process and their analysis that I think I'd be pretty foolish to evaluate any of the picks as being unwise or foolish.

I feel the same way. I always have a post-draft man crush on all the new packers.

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Re: Favorite and least favorite pick
« Reply #34 on: May 01, 2017, 03:38:27 AM »
Biegel. I thought with the 1st pick in the 4th we could have gotten a higher upside guy who could be a good pass rusher (Carl Lawson), a better RB, or OL prospect. I think Biegel will be alright, (special teams, effort plug and play guy, like a Zombo), but I don't think he has legit starter upside.
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Re: Favorite and least favorite pick
« Reply #35 on: May 01, 2017, 12:13:51 PM »
Favorite Pick: Time will tell, but I like what I see in the RB's, Williams and Jones. I especially like what I see in Jones. Big play potential.

Least Favorite Pick: 3rd RB and 2nd WR. Maybe this helps to light a fire under players like Allison, Janis and Davis? I thought a 3rd RB was excessive.

Undecided: Kevin King - He hits all of the physical check boxes, but I didn't think he was especially aggressive when I saw him play last year. I would have went with another trade down at #33 or went with Awuzie. As always, I hope I'm wrong!

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Re: Favorite and least favorite pick
« Reply #36 on: May 01, 2017, 03:33:12 PM »
Favorite Pick: Time will tell, but I like what I see in the RB's, Williams and Jones. I especially like what I see in Jones. Big play potential.

Least Favorite Pick: 3rd RB and 2nd WR. Maybe this helps to light a fire under players like Allison, Janis and Davis? I thought a 3rd RB was excessive.

Undecided: Kevin King - He hits all of the physical check boxes, but I didn't think he was especially aggressive when I saw him play last year. I would have went with another trade down at #33 or went with Awuzie. As always, I hope I'm wrong!

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Re: Favorite and least favorite pick
« Reply #37 on: May 01, 2017, 08:18:58 PM »
Rather than start a new topic, let me just pontificate a couple of draft thoughts here.

1) I think it says a lot about our DBs (that supposedly were the strength of the defense last year.) I think it will/should light a fire under Randall and Rollins. But I think the big reason for cashing in our 1st and 2nd rounder on a corner and safety for the second year in a reflects on the brasses concern about getting blown out by high octane offenses like Atlanta. I also think when Shields was lost to injury it left a big hole for a number one shut down corner. I think all good defenses need at least one great corner who can match up against the top receiver. Who knows who will emerge in that role, I hope someone will.

2) I wish we had used our top pick on a pass rusher instead. But I trust that TT knows better than I. I'm just concerned that we will miss Peppers more then we realize. I expect Matthews and Perry to play hurt, like most years. And I'm concerned that Elliott and Fackrell won't step up as much as we need them to. And I'm not counting on a 4th rounder to save the team.

3) I do think Ted got back to his roots of more or less picking the best player available. How else can you explain drafting 3 running backs? I like that he is taking strong players. I feel good about Josh Jones, the hard hitting, high testing, safety, even though I felt good about safety as a strong position for the Packers even after letting Hyde go.

4) I have good feelings for Montravius Adams. He seems like a guy who will get some push and be hard to move around. Not a star, but a solid contributor. I also like Jamaal Williams. He seems like an old school smash mouth runner in the same vein as Lacy, which is a good compliment to Montgomery.

5) I have my concerns about  Vince Biegel being no better than Frank Zombo, who to be fair has carved out a descent career and got a sack in the Super Bowl. But I hope I'm wrong and he is much, much better. And if we get good special teams play from any of the remainders that is great, because strong special teams play can be an indication of talent to help as a position player as well.

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Re: Favorite and least favorite pick
« Reply #38 on: May 02, 2017, 10:10:20 AM »
Not getting two edge rushers concerns me some. Here is my logic in why maybe it doesn't matter. Green Bay lost their #1 CB. Capers said that Shield allowed him to play a certain way and w/o him he had to adjust.
He didn't say that about Peppers, Hyde, or Jones. So taking that at face value, DBs were a bigger area of concern than Edge rushers.
Next logic point, Peppers when leaving Green Bay told Elliott that he now had his chance to show what he could do. You can read that a lot of different ways, but I interpreted it as "you have complain about me taking your snaps, now go out there and back up that talk". So I take that as the team thinks Elliott may be ready to breakout.
So really reading between the lines, I feel that TT didn't want a bunch of edge rushers sitting on the bench, when if they were DBs would be on the field.

As far as RBs, one will probably get hurt, (just saying) one will be ST specialist and the other a  backup and change of pace to Monty. The bigger logjam could be at WR. I don't see Janis making it this year.
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Re: Favorite and least favorite pick
« Reply #39 on: May 02, 2017, 08:31:59 PM »
I wasn't pleased with the draft after the 2nd day.  Now when i look back at it im glad that Ted finally went with athletic players 1 - 10.  In so many late rounds he's wasted picks on good college players who lack athleticism.  These guys might very well suck in three years, but the likelyhood of one to three of these guys being a stud is much higher imo because of the athletic profiles.  I was hard on the King pick because he has obvious holes in his game.  They all do though.  And now it is clear that Teds philosophy has finally shifted to taking high upside players that need decelopment.  Probably why he took 10... there will be busts with that strategy.
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Re: Favorite and least favorite pick
« Reply #40 on: May 03, 2017, 10:13:45 AM »
Agree Cheech.  We needed to get bigger and faster.  There are going to be busts no matter what.  Got to temper enthusiasm for the rooks.  Realizing that over half of them will likely bust out.  But like the fact that he took athletic guys.  Can't teach speed.  We'll see what the coaches can do with these guys.  I am just hoping a few of them can give us some impact this year.  King and Jones are the guys we need to come in and play well right away.  He really didn't address Edge like I wanted him too.  But hey you only have so many picks.  Did the best he could to fix the D.  Biegel was only one of a handful of guys that displayed athletic traits that TT likes in an OLB.  Still believe TJ is the better prospect but this kid isn't too far behind.  If we can get anything out of him this year that would be great.  He if can't cut it on the edge we can always try him on the inside as well.

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Re: Favorite and least favorite pick
« Reply #41 on: May 03, 2017, 04:35:43 PM »
Not getting two edge rushers concerns me some. Here is my logic in why maybe it doesn't matter. Green Bay lost their #1 CB. Capers said that Shield allowed him to play a certain way and w/o him he had to adjust. .....
So really reading between the lines, I feel that TT didn't want a bunch of edge rushers sitting on the bench, when if they were DBs would be on the field...

That's a helpful point.  You're play 5-6 D-backs every play, vs 1-3 edge rushers. 

I think Dom's point is well taken, though.  Blitzing and doing creative stuff thins the secondary.  I think he felt limited because he didn't trust his secondary guys.  Playing man/press and blitzing is great, except when receivers escape the press and beat their man and end up wide open.  Lots of sacks are coverage sacks.  Good secondary is good for the sack numbers (even if that's just deceptive), and good secondary enables lots more blitzing and creativity. 

This may be skewed, but watching Rodgers and the Packers offense, it often seemed that many of the more effective blitz/sacks were creative ones:  corner blitz, delayed safety blitz, etc.  Ones where our line was occupied, and Rodgers or Montgomery or whomever didn't get the "surprise" guy.  To some degree, I wonder if adding more safety explosion and having more safety-style linebackers might actually give Capers more possibilities to blitz some of those fast guys? 

In some of the post-draft talk, it's interesting to hear MM talk about his perceived shifts in the defense.  Mostly 2-linemen sets, forget about those old "Okie" sets with the big guys.  More safety-in-place-of-linebacker.  We've talked about ILB for years; maybe Burnett and Jones are the fast ILBer, now...

Still, getting pressure from your regular front guys is kinda crucial.  Could be a real weakness for the team.  Hope springs eternal, hope some guys pleasantly surprise us. 

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Re: Favorite and least favorite pick
« Reply #42 on: May 03, 2017, 05:00:08 PM »
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