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Matt Stafford
« on: August 28, 2017, 10:54:41 PM »
Adam Schefter: Lions and Matthew Stafford agreed to five-year contract expected to make him highest paid player in NFL history, a team source told ESPN.


 

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Re: Matt Stafford
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2017, 12:23:11 PM »
Matt Stafford the highest paid player in NFL history?

Ridiculous.

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Re: Matt Stafford
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2017, 01:32:07 PM »
Now you know why the Lions are ZERO for forever in Super Bowl trophies. The guy hasn't won a playoff game yet to my knowledge.  hysterical

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Re: Matt Stafford
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2017, 10:16:21 PM »
Stafford is a damn good QB.

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Re: Matt Stafford
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2017, 05:50:21 PM »
Stafford is a damn good QB.

opinions vary, but the facts don't seem to support that claim

Stafford's rankings among the NFL QBs since 2009 (min. 1,000 pass attempts):

Completion Percentage: 22nd
TD Percentage: 20th
INT Percentage: 21st
Quarterback Rating: 21st
Yards/Attempt: 26th
Adjusted Net Yards/Pass Attempt: 21st
QB Wins: 16th
QB Losses: 4th most

0-3 in playoffs and a declining passer rating in the 3 losses he QB'd. 97-87 and then 75 in his most recent outing
In those 3 playoff games, Stafford delivered 4TDs, 3 INTs and 2 fumbles.


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Re: Matt Stafford
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2017, 08:23:41 PM »
You can break it down how you want. Numbers are a fun way to tell a story, but watch him next time we meet up with Det. His pairing with JBC has been something great for him, and in a league where QBs are everything, Det locked up a pretty good one.

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Re: Matt Stafford
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2017, 08:28:55 PM »
He's an above average starter.  Det paid too much.  In fairness to Stafford that last playoff game he was playing with a broken finger on his throwing hand.  So there's that.   Does he deserve to be the top paid QB in the league?  I think not...

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Re: Matt Stafford
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2017, 12:32:16 PM »
Stafford is not even a top five QB in my book.

But its what I call QB inflation.  That is what the NFL has come to.  It was not always like this but now, because of the accent on passing, it is.

Plus, Detroit has nothing really behind him.  So they pay the bounty.

Wouldn't it be nice if Stafford had said, "Look, I want our team to be good and win.  Therefore, I will not take your offer and will sign for a hundred million.  I can live on that."

Back to reality.  "Show me the money!"


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Re: Matt Stafford
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2017, 02:53:33 PM »
But Stafford is in the Top 6.


2016 QB's

Not sure why some diss him as being a top NFL QB.
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Re: Matt Stafford
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2017, 03:07:42 PM »
That is not by overall rating, which I consider a pretty good standard since it measure's the guy's whole game. 

By that standard he is not even in the top ten.

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Re: Matt Stafford
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2017, 03:11:16 PM »
So where does one find this 'overall' rating?
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Re: Matt Stafford
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2017, 07:32:30 PM »
You go over to the right side of that chart and the heading will say something like RTG and click on that .

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Re: Matt Stafford
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2017, 10:34:38 PM »
You go over to the right side of that chart and the heading will say something like RTG and click on that .


Help us out and provide the link as I don't see what you refer to.
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Re: Matt Stafford
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2017, 06:14:54 AM »
click 'by player position' at the top (line 1). That brings up the 'quarterback' selection on line 2, click that. Now just above the list of names on the far right is 'Rate'. Click on that to stack the QBs by rating (in 2016). Top QBs are  Tony Romo 134.4, Mike Glennon 125.4, Chase Daniel, Matt Ryan, Jimmy Garoppolo, Tom Brady, Nick Foles, Matt Moore, Dak Prescott, Aaron Rodgers (104.2), etc. Stafford is listed 20th with a rate of 93.3.

However, when you look at number of completions, you see many of the high rated QBs threw under 100, meaning they were not significant players in the season. When you limit the rating to guys with over 250 completions, the list shrinks. In order of rating Ryan, Brady, Prescott, Rodgers, Brees, Bradford, Cousins, Carr, Luck, Mariotta, Rothlisberger, Tannehill, Stafford at 13th.

While some consider QB rating a fair measure, it is affected by the quality of your opponents that year, if you play a lot of the tougher defences your QB rating will suffer. You also play six games in your division, so their defensive quality makes a big impact on QB rating.

For example. The Pats play the Dolphins, Jets, Bills, in their division. Their defensive ratings (rated by points allowed) are 18th, 28th, 16th. Add together for what I call total divisional defense (TDD) and that is 62. Add the Packers divisional opponents, Vikings (6), Bears (24), Lions (13), and you get a TDD of 43 (lower is tougher) - it is significantly tougher for Rodgers to put up a good rating, compared to Brady.

There is no truly fair way to compare QBs unless they are on the same team facing the same opponents, which cannot happen. Therefore it is all a bit of a fudge. You have to trust the awesome computing machine that sits between your ears to make a value judgement.


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Re: Matt Stafford
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2017, 09:43:33 AM »
OK got it but to me those are flawed when trying to see how the starting QB's actually performed.


Lets throw out of that list the non-starting QB's with less than 100 attempts;


1. Romo 4 attempts
2. Glennon 11 attempts
3. Daniel 1 attempt
4. Garoppolo 63 attempts
5. Foles 55 attempts
6. Moore 87 attempts


Stafford 594 attempts
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