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Offline dannobanano

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« Reply #30 on: September 02, 2017, 07:39:42 AM »
I am really expecting a trade this morning/afternoon from the Packers. Their are guys I think they could move because they have players of equal ability or ones with more upside behind them. RJF, Joe Thomas, Gunter, maybe even Hundley are possiblities in my eyes of tradable players. It is a given that the Packers are working the phones today, it should be a fun day for a fan (not so much if you're a player on the bubble) to watch playout. Updates are right around the corner.

I would add, I think a WR could be traded as well. I'd offer up Allison (less likely) and Janis. The reason I say Allison is less likely is the suspension and Janis is a free agent after this year who is not likely to return.

I"d be surprised by Joe Thomas as IMO, we only have 3 ILB who can contribute on defense. I know people will put Matthews and Fackrell down as possibilites and the idea of safeties in the box. The fact Jones was playing in game 4 of the preseason tells me he's not ready for prime time. Burnett may play some, but 2 are not enough.

Trade Thomas and keep Tripp??

Tripp's ST's ability may be a reason to make that kind of move.

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« Reply #31 on: September 02, 2017, 07:49:01 AM »
I am really expecting a trade this morning/afternoon from the Packers. Their are guys I think they could move because they have players of equal ability or ones with more upside behind them. RJF, Joe Thomas, Gunter, maybe even Hundley are possiblities in my eyes of tradable players. It is a given that the Packers are working the phones today, it should be a fun day for a fan (not so much if you're a player on the bubble) to watch playout. Updates are right around the corner.

I would add, I think a WR could be traded as well. I'd offer up Allison (less likely) and Janis. The reason I say Allison is less likely is the suspension and Janis is a free agent after this year who is not likely to return.

I"d be surprised by Joe Thomas as IMO, we only have 3 ILB who can contribute on defense. I know people will put Matthews and Fackrell down as possibilites and the idea of safeties in the box. The fact Jones was playing in game 4 of the preseason tells me he's not ready for prime time. Burnett may play some, but 2 are not enough.

Trade Thomas and keep Tripp??

Tripp's ST's ability may be a reason to make that kind of move.

My reasoning against that is Joe Thomas is going to get meaningful defensive snaps right now without injuries. I don't see that for Tripp. They may keep both if they feel that kid is that good on special teams, but you can't have too many position liabiliities who you keep just for special teams.  twocents)
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« Reply #32 on: September 02, 2017, 07:52:02 AM »
I am really expecting a trade this morning/afternoon from the Packers. Their are guys I think they could move because they have players of equal ability or ones with more upside behind them. RJF, Joe Thomas, Gunter, maybe even Hundley are possiblities in my eyes of tradable players. It is a given that the Packers are working the phones today, it should be a fun day for a fan (not so much if you're a player on the bubble) to watch playout. Updates are right around the corner.

I would add, I think a WR could be traded as well. I'd offer up Allison (less likely) and Janis. The reason I say Allison is less likely is the suspension and Janis is a free agent after this year who is not likely to return.

I"d be surprised by Joe Thomas as IMO, we only have 3 ILB who can contribute on defense. I know people will put Matthews and Fackrell down as possibilites and the idea of safeties in the box. The fact Jones was playing in game 4 of the preseason tells me he's not ready for prime time. Burnett may play some, but 2 are not enough.

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I was going to say Allison, but didn't want to get all the people on here with the Allison mancrushes riled up this early in the morning. But of all the WR depth, I do believe he is the one tradable player.

As for ILB's, the 3rd guy in that group should be a STs standout and Tripp is the better STer of the 2. Just one opinion. 

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« Reply #33 on: September 02, 2017, 07:52:30 AM »

My reasoning against that is Joe Thomas is going to get meaningful defensive snaps right now without injuries. I don't see that for Tripp.

Agree with this.  Thomas has made the team and is important to the ILB position at this point, IMO.
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« Reply #34 on: September 02, 2017, 07:56:20 AM »
"......assuming Allison isn't released which would be a shocker to many here."

You're right Golf. Allison's not going anywhere - for good reason.

Interesting evolution: end of last TC/PS there was some chatter/articles that WR cutdowns were coming down to Allison vs. Davis. Real or not, I couldnt tell you - but in that context, I opted for Davis. As I've opined many times - I didnt want to lose that speed. I wanted it on the team and "coached up" to achieve it's best natural ability - and the "detraction" on Allison at the time was he lacked separation speed.

And it all worked out.

Allison went PS - was brought up "mid-season" and continued to show good "hand" reception skills in games that counted. But - he added to that portfolio (as far as I was concerned at least) with good sideline awareness (both sides) and apparent route running skills. Good for Green Bay - good for us.

Davis - didnt pan out as hoped year one. Okay, it happens....but he didnt get slower.

Coming into year two I wanted Davis to pick up his game - which he's done - and hoped that Allison's knowledge of the playbook and confidence would give him just that bit more speed and separation - as happens with all players who aren't "thinking" what to do - just doing it. Cant measure that exactly, but he's playing at a high level now. They both are.

Davis is putting his speed to work on the field in multiple aspect and Allison's becoming a "safe target" for AR (say, contrary to Janis).

Good for us - good for GB.

Speaks well for the personnel department/talent evaluation thru to the coaching staff and on down to the players themselves.

In my book, thats win, win, win.

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« Reply #35 on: September 02, 2017, 08:08:12 AM »

My reasoning against that is Joe Thomas is going to get meaningful defensive snaps right now without injuries. I don't see that for Tripp.

Agree with this.  Thomas has made the team and is important to the ILB position at this point, IMO.

I do think Tripp finds a way on the final 53.  Not sure how, but he's great on ST.  Thomas played a lot of defense last year.  He's probably safe simply because Burnett and Jones at ILB just doesn't look all that promising. 
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« Reply #36 on: September 02, 2017, 08:09:04 AM »
Michael Cohen‏Verified account @Michael_Cohen13  7m7 minutes ago
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 #Packers have released OLB Johnathan Calvin, according to a league source. Some confusion about this yesterday, but Calvin has now been cut.

This is kind of funny, seen before somewhere.

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« Reply #37 on: September 02, 2017, 08:14:56 AM »
I don't think there will be any trades. Other teams just wait for guys to hit the waiver wire. I'm not saying it's impossible, just pretty unlikely.
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« Reply #38 on: September 02, 2017, 08:20:47 AM »

I do think Tripp finds a way on the final 53.  Not sure how, but he's great on ST.  Thomas played a lot of defense last year.  He's probably safe simply because Burnett and Jones at ILB just doesn't look all that promising.

That is certainly possible- that is how back end guys make the roster is through special teams production.
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« Reply #39 on: September 02, 2017, 08:34:28 AM »
Michael Cohen‏Verified account @Michael_Cohen13  7m7 minutes ago
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 #Packers have released OLB Johnathan Calvin, according to a league source. Some confusion about this yesterday, but Calvin has now been cut.

This is kind of funny, seen before somewhere.

It is just all speculation though, right?
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« Reply #40 on: September 02, 2017, 08:36:46 AM »
ST uses a lot of players.  Not sure how many guys make the roster primarily as ST.  Obviously the three specialists, plus Janis and Fackrell, presumably Tripp, and Elliot, Kerridge, etc.  Obviously there's a continuum between pure ST only (the 3 specialists), vs guys who rarely/never play snaps and never will, vs guys who rarely/never played snaps in past but maybe might in future (Janis, I suppose Tripp might, maybe Kerridge, maybe Elliott, maybe Fackrell...). 

I just don't know how many of the "X is better than Y on ST, but can't give you as much from scrimmage" choices go to the ST guys, and whether once in a while some scrimmage guys win out. 

Nicest when a guy is good at both, or projects to become good from scrimmage future even if not necessarily ready yet. 

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« Reply #41 on: September 02, 2017, 08:50:01 AM »
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Packers cut TE Emmanuel Byrd

Was a late add when Sundland got hurt. Atleast got some tape out there for teams to see.
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« Reply #42 on: September 02, 2017, 08:58:54 AM »
Michael Cohen‏Verified account @Michael_Cohen13  1m1 minute ago

 #Packers have released ILB Cody Heiman, according to a league source.

This was a guy that I liked when they signed him as UDFA, this is one that measured very well, but was probably too big of a leap from tiny Washburn College. Coming out, some thought he projected as a FB.
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« Reply #43 on: September 02, 2017, 09:09:37 AM »
....I was going to say Allison, but didn't want to get all the people on here with the Allison mancrushes riled up this early in the morning. But of all the WR depth, I do believe he is the one tradable player....

Heh heh, "mancrush" is an obviously intentionally pejorative/negative/critical/aggressive/argumentative term!  :):):)
RT for a generally positive guy, you're anti-Allison hostility is a little out of character!  Why?

Seriously, I guess if that's the way you want to spin it, I'll jump in and speak for the "mancrush"!  The term obviously suggests something dumb/immature/irrational, and maybe as a hopeful Packer fan optimist I'm dumb/immature/irrational about many things Packer, well possible.  :) I stand convicted, I guess. 

And yeah, as Cheech has criticized, many posters are just recycling puff pieces from the media, so that's totally me as regards Allison.  I've been at one practice in 10 years, so I'm just straightforwardly going off the observations of the media guys who watch every single open practice, whether that's their observations regarding Allison and the WR, or Fackrell and the one-on-ones, etc..  Occam's razor, the simplest explanation for them reporting that they see Allison make more plays than the other four guys just may be true?  If the media guys who watch all the practices have a "mancrush" on Allison, basically I accept what I get from them!  I think they all seem pretty straightforward in reporting what they see.

For receivers, I think there are so many issues of route-running, instinct, hands, catch radius, body-control, change-of-direction, reading defenders, being able to "sell" and to deceive defenders and mask intentions; lots that go beyond straight-line speed.  I get the impression that the media guys seem to think that despite his speed limitations, that the composite Allison is clearly a better WR than the other four guys, as of this August. 

Perhaps for that reason he'd be the guy most tradeable, because he's good enough to play right away!  :)   

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« Reply #44 on: September 02, 2017, 09:10:46 AM »
I just found out that OG Geoff Gray has been released. There's a possibility he'll return on the practice squad.
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