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New 53 + PS
« on: August 11, 2017, 10:12:42 AM »
Offense - 23
QB - Rodgers, Hundley

RB/FB - Montgomery, Williams, Mays, Ripkowski

WR - Nelson, Adams, Cobb, Allison, Davis, Yancey

OL - Bakhtiari, Taylor, Linsley, Evans, Bulaga, Spriggs, Patrick, Murphy

TE - Bennett, Kendricks, Rodgers


Defense - 26 (27 with Biegel)
DL - Lowry, Clark, Daniels, RJF, Price, Adams

OLB - Perry, Matthews, Elliott, Fackrell, Gilbert, Biegel (PUP)

ILB - Ryan, Thomas, Tripp, Martinez

CB - House, Rollins, King, Gunter, Hawkins, Randall

S - HHCD, Burnett, Brice, Jones, Evans

Special Teams - 3
K - Crosby

P - Vogel

LS - Hart

IR - Barclay, Waters, Dupre?

PS: QB Hill, WR McCaffery, RB Aaron Jones, OG Gray, S Whitehead, CB Pipkins, TE Stanback, WR Clark, G/C Amichia

Last four in: Martinez, Price, Murphy, R. Rodgers
Hardest cuts: McCaffery, Clark, Amichia, Kerridge, Janis

If Barclay has a high ankle sprain they could put him on IR since those take 6 to 8 weeks to heal.  As of right now, he's probably our best player that we could use back by mid-season. 

I highly doubt they keep 4 inside backers with Matthews, Fackrell, Burnett, and Jones all taking reps there.  I also think that Jordan Tripp makes the final 53.  That doesn't bode well for Blake Martinez, who is falling into the JAG category. 

Note: Ted could carry an additional 2 players with Allison's 1 game suspension and if Biegel remains on the PUP.  If this is the case, McCaffery and Amichia stick around until Allison and Biegel return. 
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Re: New 53 + PS
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2017, 08:56:07 AM »
Thanks, cheech, seems like a plausible and well-considered roster. 

As always, there will be some injuries, so it will get even easier for some of those "hardest to cut" names to make it. 

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Re: New 53 + PS
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2017, 09:27:58 AM »
At this point, on the O line, I prefer Gray over Murphy, I can see that not happening though, if Murphy can play at least adequate guard AND tackle. At this point Gray looks like a guard only. Also, if Barclay comes back, Barclay vs Patrick is a close call.

Another point you could debate, is FB Kerridge over the 4th ILB Tripp. Even though three ILBs seems too little, Burnett and Jones will spend time there. It would also help balance the numbers (to 24 offense 26 defense, including Biegel). I expect Biegel on the field soon. Two FBs is weird, but Kerridge is looking good.

I'd like to see only 5 OLBs, but there is no-one you listed I'd be comfortable cutting, Gilbert deserves more time (needs a full preseason to work out his place).

It's always those last 3-4 places that are tough to figure. For example, I'd love to see Clark kept, but do any of the receivers deserve to be beaten out by him. I don't think he is final 53 material NOW, but he might be, and it would annoy me to see him claimed off waivers or the PS. The receiver group is brutally competitive.
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Re: New 53 + PS
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2017, 11:38:13 AM »
I'm not sure if this is your prediction, or what you'd like to see, or both?

Ted hates cutting draft picks, so I could see Amichia as a surprise on the 53.  I really don't know why we would keep Allison.  No ST and pedestrian as a WR and facing a suspension.  Too much other potential at WR.

Also, McCarthy loves Callahan, but I don't know how we can keep 3 QBs.

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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2017, 05:15:23 PM »
I'm not sure if this is your prediction, or what you'd like to see, or both?

Ted hates cutting draft picks, so I could see Amichia as a surprise on the 53.  I really don't know why we would keep Allison.  No ST and pedestrian as a WR and facing a suspension.  Too much other potential at WR.

Also, McCarthy loves Callahan, but I don't know how we can keep 3 QBs.

Allison doesn't need to factor into the 53 at this point due to the suspension of 1 game. If we have 7 we like as much as him I could see him getting cut. He was clearly our #4 WR last year however and was somewhat productive.

I'm really pulling for Clark to make it at WR. He's athletic and with his length a nightmare in the red zone to cover.
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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2017, 10:49:36 AM »
I'm not sure if this is your prediction, or what you'd like to see, or both?

Ted hates cutting draft picks, so I could see Amichia as a surprise on the 53.  I really don't know why we would keep Allison.  No ST and pedestrian as a WR and facing a suspension.  Too much other potential at WR.

Also, McCarthy loves Callahan, but I don't know how we can keep 3 QBs.

Probably more prediction than what I would like to see.

I'd like to see Richard Rodgers cut in favor of Clark.  Rodgers at 2 million for a 3rd string TE that can't block or play ST seems rich for my blood.  I'd also rather see Clark for 3 years at the same price as RR for 1.  Now, Rodgers has inherent value within 10 yards of the LOS as a big bodied WR.  He has incredible hands and uses his body well to box out defenders.  He's just so limited after the catch and in every other major category as a TE. 

With that being said, it just isn't going to happen. 

Allison is who he is.  He's a really good possession WR with size who can run gorgeous routes to make up for his lack of speed.  He has great hands and 12 trusts him.  If any of the young receivers could run his routes, they would make it over him.  I haven't seen enough yet to think any of them are close.   IT does sound like Dupre could return to practice after going through concussion protocol.  That will make this 53 even harder to settle.  Like you said, well probably see a linebacker or DL lose a spot to an offensive player.

I like Amichia's athleticism, but man is he raw.  The decision to protect him on the 53 vs place him on waivers to get to the PS is beyond me at this point.  I'm not sure how other GMs think of him, but it is very clear he doesnt belong on the field this year. 

Also, the multiple ufa additions will almost guarantee a rookie or 2nd year draft pick will get cut this year. 
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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2017, 11:24:23 AM »
Pretty good. Some changes I would make:

-I think GB is keeping 3 QBs (Callahan).
-4 ILB may be too many at this point as you noted (since they run so much nickel and sub-packages --- and especially now that Burnett and Jones are playing in the box). But I think Tripp gets the cut.
-They'll start with 5 DL (Adams to IR).
-I think Janis still has a place on this team. So he'll make at least the first cut while Allison is suspended. May stay after that too. Yancey has a lot to prove still.
-Gray or Amichia will compete with Murphy and Patrick for those spots. And it'll be close. My hunch right now is that one of Gray or Amichia makes the team and Murphy gets a tough cut.
-I don't think Clark is a tough cut. He has some tools, but he needs a lot of work.

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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2017, 12:11:00 PM »

I'd like to see Richard Rodgers cut in favor of Clark.  Rodgers at 2 million for a 3rd string TE that can't block or play ST seems rich for my blood.  I'd also rather see Clark for 3 years at the same price as RR for 1.  Now, Rodgers has inherent value within 10 yards of the LOS as a big bodied WR.  He has incredible hands and uses his body well to box out defenders.  He's just so limited after the catch and in every other major category as a TE. 

With that being said, it just isn't going to happen. 


I understand the reasoning here ... because Clark is an intriguing prospect and we don't want to lose him ... but if Bennett were to go down with an injury, that would leave GB with only Kendricks at TE. And Kendricks is more of a go-TE that may or may not help in the run game (I've read all sorts of opinions on his blocking).

Clark boxes guys out, but he doesn't play strong yet. And his hands are extremely inconsistent. This is evident in his pre-draft scouting reports and from what we've heard in practice. He also wasn't a willing blocker in college as a WR. Doubtful he could hold up inside.

So, to me, why make the TE position so vulnerable (for a winning team with an already great offense), for a player that likely wouldn't see the field anyways but a few plays out of the year?

If Clark made the team, which I don't think he will, IMO he'd have to show up on ST and beat out Janis at WR. If he can't do that, I don't see the point in keeping him on the 53.

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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2017, 12:12:33 PM »
I'm pulling for Clark because you can't coach 6'6 with that verticle. Plus the guy can catch. By the way, there is no real solution to defensing it either.
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« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2017, 12:39:40 PM »
Pretty good. Some changes I would make:

-I think GB is keeping 3 QBs (Callahan).
-4 ILB may be too many at this point as you noted (since they run so much nickel and sub-packages --- and especially now that Burnett and Jones are playing in the box). But I think Tripp gets the cut.
-They'll start with 5 DL (Adams to IR).
-I think Janis still has a place on this team. So he'll make at least the first cut while Allison is suspended. May stay after that too. Yancey has a lot to prove still.
-Gray or Amichia will compete with Murphy and Patrick for those spots. And it'll be close. My hunch right now is that one of Gray or Amichia makes the team and Murphy gets a tough cut.
-I don't think Clark is a tough cut. He has some tools, but he needs a lot of work.

Eeeh.  Callahan has a long career ahead of him... in the CFL.  He has no business, even as a backup, in the NFL.  If we're going to keep a 3rd QB, which we shouldn't, it should be Hill.  If we're going to have a guy running around with his head chopped off at QB it might as well be an athlete.  Hill has the better arm too.  Hill is perfectly suited for the GB PS. 

Watching Janis try to run routes is painful.  I advocated for he and Abby to play 2 years ago because the lack of speed at WR, but we have it now.  He's still not doing the simple things that 4-5 rookie WR's are doing.  McCaffery looks like the guy that Janis should be by now.  Janis is just too stiff.  I'd agree that Yancey has a ways to go yet. Dupre has a high ceiling.  While Janis is a great gunner, guys like Brice, Evans, Jones, etc. can fill that role just fine. 

I think Murphy makes it, but not because he's one of the best 53.  He has position versatility where Gray just really doesn't.  If Gray sticks, he'll have to beat Patrick.  Possible, but less likely now that Barclay is down and Patrick is now our top backup C. 

Finally, I do agree on Richard Rodgers and Clark, which is why I still put Rodgers on my 53.  He's listed as a TE, but he's not one.  The best you can say about his blocking is that he's big enough to get in the way where Clark isn't.  Rodgers has to be one of the worst pass and run blocking TE's in the game.  IF (and we agree that this isn't likely) Rodgers were to be cut, I'd imagine that Ted would scour the streets after the cut-down day to find a capable 3rd or even 4th TE to place on the PS should Bennett or Kendricks get hurt.  I think that would be a fair solution to the depth issue there. 

Right now, I think Clark is kind of like return specialist.  He has a skill-set that few have, but he'd be a luxury to keep.  He'll really have to stand out over the next 3 games to make the 53.  Like many have said, he is perfectly suited for the PS. 
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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2017, 12:19:10 AM »

Eeeh.  Callahan has a long career ahead of him... in the CFL.  He has no business, even as a backup, in the NFL.  If we're going to keep a 3rd QB, which we shouldn't, it should be Hill.  If we're going to have a guy running around with his head chopped off at QB it might as well be an athlete.  Hill has the better arm too.  Hill is perfectly suited for the GB PS. 

Watching Janis try to run routes is painful.  I advocated for he and Abby to play 2 years ago because the lack of speed at WR, but we have it now.  He's still not doing the simple things that 4-5 rookie WR's are doing.  McCaffery looks like the guy that Janis should be by now.  Janis is just too stiff.  I'd agree that Yancey has a ways to go yet. Dupre has a high ceiling.  While Janis is a great gunner, guys like Brice, Evans, Jones, etc. can fill that role just fine. 


Callahan run around like a chicken with his head cut off, but then completes a 20 yard pass on the sideline. Plus coaches seem to love him. He's far better than Graham Harrell and I think he's better than Tolzien. He has a real shot. Hill also is not just trying to win a spot on the PS --- he's also trying to prove that he's an NFL QB. Remember, a lot of predraft stuff had him as WR, RB, etc.

As far as Janis ... i totally agree on his route running, but he's not making the roster as a standout WR. He's a core ST and its not as easy to play at the level he's played at as a gunner and returner as you're making it seem IMO. Our ST transformed when Janis became a breakout player on those teams. They used to be among the league's worst. Plus, Brice and Jones are going to play a lot of snaps this year and won't really be options as gunners, especially as injuries mount as they usually do. Janis has value ... even though he's probably a bonehead.

If Dupre was healthy, I'd give him a shot to take out Janis. But I feel like he's headed for IR. It's the Packer way.

Also -- my 53-man prediction is based on what I think Packers will do, not necessarily what I want them to do.

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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2017, 09:04:37 AM »

Eeeh.  Callahan has a long career ahead of him... in the CFL.  He has no business, even as a backup, in the NFL.  If we're going to keep a 3rd QB, which we shouldn't, it should be Hill.  If we're going to have a guy running around with his head chopped off at QB it might as well be an athlete.  Hill has the better arm too.  Hill is perfectly suited for the GB PS. 

Watching Janis try to run routes is painful.  I advocated for he and Abby to play 2 years ago because the lack of speed at WR, but we have it now.  He's still not doing the simple things that 4-5 rookie WR's are doing.  McCaffery looks like the guy that Janis should be by now.  Janis is just too stiff.  I'd agree that Yancey has a ways to go yet. Dupre has a high ceiling.  While Janis is a great gunner, guys like Brice, Evans, Jones, etc. can fill that role just fine. 


Callahan run around like a chicken with his head cut off, but then completes a 20 yard pass on the sideline. Plus coaches seem to love him. He's far better than Graham Harrell and I think he's better than Tolzien. He has a real shot. Hill also is not just trying to win a spot on the PS --- he's also trying to prove that he's an NFL QB. Remember, a lot of predraft stuff had him as WR, RB, etc.

As far as Janis ... i totally agree on his route running, but he's not making the roster as a standout WR. He's a core ST and its not as easy to play at the level he's played at as a gunner and returner as you're making it seem IMO. Our ST transformed when Janis became a breakout player on those teams. They used to be among the league's worst. Plus, Brice and Jones are going to play a lot of snaps this year and won't really be options as gunners, especially as injuries mount as they usually do. Janis has value ... even though he's probably a bonehead.

If Dupre was healthy, I'd give him a shot to take out Janis. But I feel like he's headed for IR. It's the Packer way.

Also -- my 53-man prediction is based on what I think Packers will do, not necessarily what I want them to do.

Better than Tolzein?  Nooooo!   Tolzein could get the ball out on time.  He could make all of the necessary throws.  Callahan can barely see over his line.  Every snap is a scramble drill.  I'll admit, it is entertaining to watch him, but there is just no way that he belongs in this league. 
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« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2017, 09:58:32 AM »
Pretty good. Some changes I would make:
-I think Janis still has a place on this team. So he'll make at least the first cut while Allison is suspended.

I believe there is only one cut now, 90 straight down to 53.
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« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2017, 10:08:31 AM »
Pretty good. Some changes I would make:
-I think Janis still has a place on this team. So he'll make at least the first cut while Allison is suspended.

I believe there is only one cut now, 90 straight down to 53.

I meant the first cut down to 53.

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« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2017, 10:19:11 AM »
Ok, now I see where you are going. You mean he might be gone when Allison has served his suspension and returns (if he does return).
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